These are just some thoughts I am having as I am pregnant with my second child. In TTL it says that the spirit is bound to the physical body (fetus) during the 4th or 5th month of pregnancy. It is brought to earth in a state of semi-sleep and then gradually the sleep gets deaper, so that the spirit will recall nothing of this time. Then, during birth, the spirit merges with the human body.
Somehow I do believe (feel), - and I would be so grateful for anybody elses thoughts, experience or knowledge - that from almost the moment of conception there is a clear 'feeling' to the particular child, and then after the spirit is there, even though in a sleeplike state, it can still make you feel what things (music, movement...) it likes and doesn't. The personality is so clear already. Is this because the spirit is near, and even though asleep, it's presence is still so strong? With my first one, I felt and 'saw' him even before he was 'here' and did not need an ultrasound to tell me he was a boy. I wonder, even in a sleeplike state, even if you don't remember, there have been so many sudies done that attest to the effect that things have on the child before birth. I wonder why this is not mentioned more -
Also I was thinking what an increadible time birth is, if everyone knew that this is 'literally' the first experience the spirit has in the new body, would we not strive so much more to make it pleasant and painfree and beautiful for the child - welcome the spirit to earth - instead of (especially in the US) choose hospitals and even C-sections as something normal?
Oh, I am just bursting with joy and happyness and just needed a thread to reach out to you - I so much miss talking to others about TTL and certain things -
A beautiful day to you all -
Mara

By Ulla S. Qvistgaard on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 05:43 pm:

Hello Mara!

It is so nice to hear from you again – and your wonderful news is just great! Congratulations – and thank you for telling us about your new baby. Now we all have the opportunity of helping him and you along, until he is born and beyond.
It so happens that on Wednesday evening (March 3rd – what a coincidence!!!), Peter Kjærulff was invited as a guest to a Danish television special entitled ”Talk with God”. It is a weekly half-hour programme where a panel of religious “experts” (priests of the main religions who have nothing important to say, really – but this is my own biased opinion…) each week are confronted with a different guest. The programme is based on questions from the viewers – and on Wednesday someone asked why the embryo would be so important, if the spirit was attached to it only during the 4th or 5th month of pregnancy. Peter’s answer was quite simple: at the moment of conception, the embryo is already assigned to a spirit – it belongs to someone already, someone who needs it to incarnate.
This is strongly supported by TTL of course – why else would even the first months of the future child be so crucially important? Technically, the physical body is shaping and that should be it – but this is only apparently so. The spirit who needs the body is present, too – perhaps trying to learn something about his or her future family and take in the feeling of his/her future home... So of course we can feel their presence – I believe it is natural to do so, if you are aware of this possibility! And as you are a very sensitive person, of course you do feel the presence of the personality of your child!
As for the pain and difficulties associated with birth, I completely agree with you. I find it strange that the birth-into-water technique has not been adopted by more hospitals, for instance. It has already been proved to be by far the best method today, if the mother wants to be as painfree as possible, and for her child to be delivered in a less traumatic way.
The sleeplike state – well, if the spirit sleeps once attached to the body of the child – then of course he/she has the possibility of dreaming… and through our dreams music and other outside stimuli are likely to enter and influence our state of mind. Even if we are still “only” a fetus.
You make me remember when I expected my own son – I was very much aware both of the moment of conception and of his gender. Everyone thought I was crazy when I told them that I’d gone to buy the needed folic acid integration on the very day after… But well, I just knew that I was pregnant, so of course I wanted to take care of my child from the very first moment! And I also knew at once that he was a boy, there was no need for anyone to tell me that.
Some participants at a Danish TTL-forum discard the possibility of “talking with God” – so it is a major coincidence that Danish TV should start a special show with that title… But it is possible for all of us to talk with God – in fact, TTL tells us so: to pray is to communicate with God. And also our sad and joyous thoughts reach him – even as they do so, they are transformed into requests for help or thanksgiving. I really cannot understand that anyone who believes in God – especially TTL followers!!! – would feel disjoined from Him/Her in this manner! If we do not believe it possible to receive our Father’s answers, of course we will not hear him. But when we trust him – when our faith is more than a simple statement that we ourselves intimately doubt – then we hear God’s answers loud and clear.

However, at last the times are changing – God will soon become far more easy to reach for everyone. It depends on ourselves, really. So much is happening – your son will be born into a world that is improving by the second, Mara.
Again, congratulations – and a big hug to you and your two children!

Ulla

By colcrys on Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 07:19 am:

Hello Mara,
Congratulations.

Although just a 'man' perhaps I can help answer your question.

On page 188 in TTL it states "The moment the first frail seed of a new human body is formed at conception, it is endowed with its share of the divine stream of Light that binds humanity to God."

So from that moment - conception - and although as stated in TTL the 'seed' is only an "incipient human being" - there is a connection between the 'seed' and God and the 'seed' can be viewed as a new life. There is also a connection to the Eldest at this time through the streams of darkness (pg 188) [but that connection is eliminated at the moment of birth (pg 189)] and there is also a connection to the Guardian Spirit endowed with responsibility for this spirit.

The "4th or 5th month" connection of the spirit to be incarnated in relation to one of the Youngest or a previously incarnated human spirit as explained in the same section (and as no 'new' spirits are now being created as is stated several times throughout the books your child's spirit must be either one of the Youngest or one previously incarnated that is continuing their journey towards our father's home) clarifies that the spirit is attached to the foetus through the life-giving cord; and in Q and A, page 48, Question 25, we find "The moment the spirit is brought to its future mother, it is lulled into a state of semi-sleep so that as an appendage without power and will it follows the pregnant woman wherever she goes. As the formation of the foetus progresses and the shape of the spirit-body becomes more and more indistinct, this sleep becomes deeper. The spirit is thus quite oblivious of what takes place while it is bound to the foetus, and consequently it will later have no recollection of this period of time."

So the "spirit-body" cannot in any way "make you feel what it likes and doesn't."

Neither can the personality of the attached spirit-body in any way pass 'TO' the mother any thoughts or feelings - BUT - I do believe the mother can pass thoughts and feelings 'TO' the spirit-body that can perhaps 'imprint' on the 'spirit-body' such as music, and also that the the Guardian Spirit 'in charge' of the now attached 'spirit-body'can pass 'TO' the mother 'information' such as perhaps the basics or template of the 'spirit' and greater strength of light to deal with the rigors of pregnancy.

I have always believed that this is also why people that focus on 'bonding after birth' and not 'before' are missing out - and causing their new 'child' to miss out - on much in the way of growth and mutual understanding that could manifest itself later in the life of the 'child'.

For example, I have noticed this in particular with fathers. So many seem to separate or distance themselves from the mother during the 9 months of pregnancy and perhaps this is why it is often said that a pregnant woman 'glows' (the proximity of the now attached spirit-body perhaps that casts this 'glow' around the mother?) and yet it is not said of the father. Now of course the father can in no way be 'attached' to the spirit-body as is the mother - but - if the father were to be seen in as close a proximity to the mother constantly as the mother is to the spirit-body then I feel that this 'triangle' would also enshroud the father with some of the 'glow'.

I believe that what you and other mothers are feeling from the time of conception are the elements of light - both from the Eldest and the Divine Light - and after the spirit-body has been 'attached' to the foetus, the Guardian Spirit of the 'spirit' so 'attached'.

The spirit-body must also be - as stated in several passages - 'clear' of any awareness of their previous incarnations so as to ensure this incarnation is not unduly or negatively influenced by past lives (the reason it is so laughable for anyone to believe in the folly of those stating they can 'read' their past lives). So the spirit-body of the new child does not have awareness of itself or the mother until such time as it is 'born' at which time it has no recollection - save perhaps subliminal - of itself before birth or of past experiences - but as I say I do believe that those parents that do such as talk to the foetus (you know, those evenings [which should really be any time of the day] when Dad (Mom does it all the time) 'talks' to Mom's belly, or reads poetry - or my favorite reads TTL - or plays music etc.; really enhance their bonding with their new child.

This may also be why fathers are always "the last to know" when the mother is pregnant. Mom knows almost instantly - perhaps within a day or so of conception. Other ladies - friends and relatives - seem to notice also very soon afterwards. The doctor confirming what the ladies already know is of course next and poor old Dad only finds out when someone tells him. If though, Dad at this time makes the conscious decision to devote as much of his time as possible 'physically' beside Mom (if Mom can handle it that is) and participates in the passing 'TO' the spirit, feelings and the like - then I believe that Dad can not only have a greater part of the most vital time for 'bonding' but also share in Mom's 'glow'.

So, while the 'spirit-body' or your new child is oblivious to what is going on and unable to communicate anything to you, you are of course aware both of the foetus at moment of conception (including the sex as this is a physical state) and then the arrival of the 'spirit-body' - by the way, I would be interested to know if you have any actual indication of the moment the spirit-body arrives; perhaps you can post when you feel that has happened and what the feeling is like.

There may also be inherited memory or re-surfacing of the subliminal from our own birth experience to be considered.

Enjoy and congratulations to your new child for being successful enough to be born within a household where the can be exposed to the Truth from birth - my hope for my own next life.

Just a man's thoughts.

By Ulla S. Qvistgaard on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 10:06 am:

Dear Mara,

Perhaps your new baby is born by now? I have been thinking about you a lot, and I want to wish your child welcome into this world. Whatever the conditions during pregnancy, at least now he/she is here - very earthly real and present! ;-)
The interactions between spirit and body are really so difficult to guess at, so of course we must accept TTL's explanations. Sometimes, though, it is nice to try to imagine what would be like if one has a somewhat closer contact with the spiritual world - a different and more intense interaction with our higher conscience. I believe that such a contact is possible - the more so, when we know for sure that we do have a spiritual body. Which is what TTL-readers of course know. So why limit ourselves? We must never stop studying and trying to reach higher!
From the certainty of the existence of our spirit also springs a greater respect for our children - and for ourself, it is to be hoped... They deserve our unconditional love - and, by chance, don't we, too? What I mean to say is that if we do not love and respect ourselves, it is difficult to love and respect anyone else. This is why it is such a magical moment to meet your newborn child for the first time - there is a special strength in this moment.

Lots of love and greetings to you both - and to the rest of your family!
Ulla

By Esther-Maria/Mara Rest on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 07:28 am:

Dear Ulla and everyone else,
I have not had a chance to get to the computer much within the last year, so I am just now reading your messages which I would love to answer -
Our son Joachim Raphael was born in early August 2004 at home, very peacefully and beautifully in the presence of his whole extended family, including all his brothers who at the time were 3, 13 and 17, my parents that had arrived from Germany just 2 days before, my partners sister and best friend and the wonderful midwives. Since we are a blended family Joachim is the only one who is related to all of us and has literally changed our whole family to the better. It is interesting how much I felt about his spirit, so strong and yet so gentle and sweet, like he has a perfect balance of male and female (which is why I think until the last moment I was not sure of his gender), his boundless energy and high sensitivity - every day feels like a blessing with all my children, even when hard times come (and they did), we seem to move through them with some grace -

The moment of birth certainly was magical with both my children, as I know that that was the moment the spirit and body merge together, both of them were so highly alert, looking at every one in the room, and the essence of their spirit coming through so clearly that it changed everyone present -
I enjoy homeschooling my children as that allows me to just be there for them with unconditional love to answer their questions and provide them, hopefully, with just what they need to grow and be happy and loving and strong in heart and thoughts. Fortunately there is a great homeschooling community here that allows me to meet others that feel similar and that truly value their children as individuals.

The nice 'man' was asking about whether I felt the moment he spirit was bound to the body of the fetus -
With my first, I remember one day dancing and praying for the childs health when just 2-3 month pregnant ( I had had a miscarriage before and was a bit worried), and when the prayer was finished I saw in my minds eye a beautiful young man smiling at me. From that moment on I know that he was not only alright and that he was a boy, I distictly felt his spirit to still be in the spheres, but connected to me in another way already.
Then one day I felt him closer and knew that now the spirit must have been bound tot he fetus, but I did not feel the moment it happened, maybe one is asleep?
Throughout this pregnancy I felt an unbelievable happiness and peace that is still with me, and more so as he is now here, 4 years old, with his bright light and clarity.
With my second it was different - the pregnancy was much harder and my life was much more busy - but I do remember a shift, at one time thinking, the spirit is now close, not far away any more, that happened rather late -
His being is more mysterious to me, but it sure does feel that when I am holding him, as if I get to hold an angel - and it makes me cry sometimes at night when I sit up nursing and can just be with him in the still and quiet of the night - I imagine all parents feeling that their children are angels incarnate, but I know this is not always so -
And now, I better get some sleep, as that has been rare for multiple other reasons - I would love to chat more about children and how to relate the message of TTL more-
One more thought -
I know that the most important is to just be there with unconditional love, but then there are the practical things -
My oldest loves books, and even though he is now asking a lot of questions about death and where we go and all that -and I answer them as best as I can without confusing him -
there are so many books on other subject, I wish that there was more on spiritual things geared for children that is not cheesy or phony or just plain not written in such a way as to interest even a very good reader.
If anyone has some practical suggestions, let me know -
Lots of love to all of you and I hope you still stop by this board -
Mara

By Ulla S. Qvistgaard on Tuesday, November 01, 2005 - 10:57 pm:

Dear Mara,

My heartfelt congratulations – not only for your new child, but also because of the harmony you so aptly describe. You make me actually see your life and feel it – the people, the colours, the warmth, the sounds, everything. It is a wonderful gift not only to have a child – but to receive a child in your midst who can create around him such a feeling of union as does Joachim Raphael.
What you write is brimming over with a new kind of awareness – so much in tune with what I have myself been experiencing for the past couple of years. As you say, this new frequency of growth and change – whatever we may call it – of spiritual awareness that has come into the world, allows us to go through the bad times with “some grace”. I am sure that it must have been more than just “some” grace, in your case! But as you now seem to have settled more calmly into your new family life, the bad times are surely a moment of the past – I sincerely hope so!
Joachim Raphael has boundless energy, you say – I believe that he – as many of the children born today – brings with him a far greater awareness of his own importance and his own human and spiritual rights than used to be the case. With the last Ardor-incarnated Eldest safely in God’s custody, today life is much easier to come by; many interferences have simply ceased. As is the case with my own children, I find them far better equipped to meet life than I have ever felt myself – and so I allow myself to learn from them, in the recognition that their simple attitude and close at hand solutions are a far better approach than my own old and obsolete “draw your sword and meet the enemy!”
Well, I did need that kind of combative spirit for quite a while, and probably it is hard to lay off completely – actually, life on Earth does not really invite to radically abolishing our self-defensive mechanisms; we still need them on and off – especially when the traffic lights change to red while we are crossing the street! – but it is such a consolation to see how our children can actually show us the way, today. And I can see that you have taken your children’s clue and follow it – this is such a good way of life.

The homeschooling opportunity you describe seems to me a small paradise on Earth – just like some of the things we are beginning to create here in Denmark, first of all for our children, but certainly also for adults to enjoy, so that everyone may eventually be able to live a life in dignity and – unconditional love, just like you say. I am so pleased to learn that such groups of people are thriving in other countries, too. Hopefully, they include God as our Father/Mother in their ideologies – though I believe there is much work yet to be done here.
Here in autumnal Denmark, we are working increasingly harder to start to create what we want to become a reflection of “life in the spheres” – whatever we can do to improve our life, day by day – or even minute by minute – we try to do it (or don’t do it…) – this is what we are aiming at, with more than common determination! There is so much to be done away with, and of course the process starts within ourselves: so many self-destructive, astral, eldest-imposed habits and thought patterns, from trying to please others when what we really need is to care more for ourselves (if we are not balanced and in tune with ourselves, we cannot hope to create any kind of balance for anyone else, right? Let alone being an example for anyone…) – to learning to leave behind meaningless relationships/marriages/family and community ties – anything that we do not truly feel completely fits us. We have been living for so long by more or less consciously recognized dictates, by old distorted traditions and community-fed habits and behavioural patterns, by misunderstood and wrong life situations and bonds - self-created or imposed - that we have felt the need to respect even if we have never felt them to agree with our innermost nature. All this must be disentangled, dissolved and done away with, to give place for a new kind of life more in agreement with our true being, our spiritual being.

This is what it means to truly commit ourselves to our journey Toward the Light: there cannot be just one speck of self-contradictory behaviour in us, if we want to meet with our spirit. And this is what it is all about, isn’t it: to try to make the most of this earthly incarnation, try to set our spirit free – by giving ourselves such spiritual freedom as to make our spirit our real expression in this world, as it is in the spheres and, even more so, beyond. True, we are “spirits in human beings” and this often makes us suffer, especially when we are not yet quite aware of what this state of matters entails – but the ultimate victory over darkness is just this: to be able to get in contact with our spirit, be “true to ourselves” even while living here on Earth – and learn to extend the continuity of this contact until it cannot be interrupted anymore. This is when we will no longer need to incarnate, for through the work of our spirit we have done away with the meaning of any useful toil this planet may have to offer us.

Wow, what opportunies lie ahead for our children, Mara! Of course, being part of humanity, they truly deserve the awareness that can be theirs today – but these are historical times, we are so much better off today than we were just 15 years ago, when our earthly creators still had so much power over us. These times are over, and such horrible conditions will never return. Meanwhile, a long and painful process must be gone through – already we see how old nauseating secrets are being laid open all over the world, how old patterns of horror that have been deeply embedded in our societies are exposed – this is good, it is a clear sign that the times are changing.

As for your practical issues – well, a friend of mine has a project in mind, and we are trying to convince her to go ahead with it: a version of TTL for children – Ardor’s Account explained for children. I so hope she will go ahead with this idea, for she is the right person to carry out this project. Perhaps one day I may even be able to publish this work, and translate it – time will tell!
Alas, it is as you say, it is impossible to find books that convey spiritual insight to children, even when they are quite ready to receive such insight. The only kind of story, I can think of right now that is easily accessible and of value, is the story of the life of Jesus, even with all the descriptions of miracles and strange superstitious embroidery added – your son will of course question many of the strange things he will learn about – but as children infallibly recognize the Truth, this is where you can do YOUR work and in the process of explaining you then also have the opportunity of teaching him how to discern truth from absurdity. This can be done adding quite a few humorous images – I have had great fun with my children in this kind of learning process. For of course children should always be told the Truth, to the best of our abilities, and to the extent that we believe they can understand and follow us. I am certain that your inborn pedagogic abilities will advise you on the right approach. Often, I have had luck to explain even difficult principles to my children by inventing “parables”, following the example of Jesus – you can create images in their minds with such small and clear stories, and thus give them safe places to return to and remember when they are in any kind of doubt about what to do.

A better world is being prepared for our children – so God’s peace to you, Mara, and lots of hugs to you and your lucky little family!

Lightfully,
Ulla